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MLB Scouting Is Arduous. These 4 Gamers Show It.

What would we study if we may see what an MLB crew’s scouts noticed? For the primary time, we will: A former member of the Cincinnati Reds entrance workplace offered The Ringer with a replica of the Reds’ scouting database from between 1991 and 2003, consisting of greater than 73,000 reviews. All through this week, we’ll be utilizing this newly declassified scouting gold mine to research old-school scouting’s strengths and weaknesses, profile gamers who defied the scouts’ expectations, and look at how scouting has developed lately. In Monday’s Half 1, we crunched the numbers on how effectively scouts projected gamers. In Wednesday’s Half 2, we speak to 4 gamers about how they defied the scouts’ expectations and ask probably the most unerring Reds scout to elucidate his success.

“The main league scout should have three {qualifications}: detective, bloodhound, and diplomat,” wrote one in all Department Rickey’s longtime lieutenants, Dodgers scout and farm director Fresco Thompson, in his 1964 memoir, Each Diamond Doesn’t Sparkle. “He should have nerve, sturdy arches, and a crystal ball.”
As we realized final time, scouts’ crystal balls are sometimes damaged. The character of scouting is such that even one of the best evaluators will miss on many gamers. In lots of instances, after all, guys get harm, endlessly altering their expertise trajectories. However loads of gamers deviate from their appointed paths for non-injury-related causes, and we will study loads by inspecting the place their reviews went incorrect.
Right this moment we’ll be speaking to and tracing the paths of 4 gamers—Travis Hafner, David Ross, Ben Davis, and Jeff Schmidt—to learn the way and why they strayed considerably from what scouts anticipated, in both a optimistic or damaging path. In comparison with the overwhelming majority {of professional} gamers, not to mention amateurs, all 4 have been successes: Every one made the majors for some period of time. But two lasted for much longer and achieved far more than forecasted, whereas two fell wanting their forecasts. We’ll begin with the duo that did greater than the scouts thought they may.
Travis Hafner, DH/1B (11 reviews, 10 “don’t purchase” grades)
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From 2004 to 2006, Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols have been baseball’s finest hitters. After them, although, there was no person higher than Cleveland Indians DH Travis Hafner. He slashed a mixed .308/.419/.611 in these seasons, producing a 167 wRC+ that bested the marks posted over the identical years by Manny Ramírez, David Ortiz, Alex Rodriguez, Vladimir Guerrero, Miguel Cabrera, and different Corridor of Fame–degree hitters.
In July 1998, a Reds scout wrote, “Solely software is uncooked energy can’t assist us at any degree. A ball tops man.” Two years later, one other scout wrote, “Seen as a platoon or bench participant at ML degree. Most likely higher suited to AAA and ML in case of emergency.” Inside a number of years, a participant who started his profession with 5 consecutive Reds professional reviews labeling him a nonprospect went from a hitter who appeared like he’d high out at A-ball to one of the best bat within the American League. How did Hafner do it?

The Reds’ scouts weren’t the one ones to whiff on Hafner. {The teenager} who would at some point be a top-10 MVP finisher in back-to-back years was the Texas Rangers’ 31st-round choose within the 1996 novice draft, and the 923rd participant picked total. That late choice had one thing to do along with his abilities, but it surely was additionally a product of the place he was born and the low ranges of competitors he’d confronted as an novice. Hafner, a local of Jamestown, North Dakota, grew up taking part in American Legion ball. “We simply performed 20 to 25 video games a summer time, because the climate allowed,” he says.
After he graduated from highschool, Hafner attended an Atlanta Braves tryout camp and obtained a small supply to signal with them as a free agent. He knew he wasn’t prepared for professional ball, so as a substitute he enrolled at a junior faculty, Cowley County in Kansas, which has despatched just one different hitter to the majors (Junior Spivey). Hafner hit effectively at Cowley County, however to scouts, that didn’t imply a lot. “I believe if you happen to’re not doing it in highschool or Division I, you most likely get docked a little bit bit,” Hafner says.
Hafner couldn’t do a lot besides hit. As one scout stated in 1998, “He’s a weak fielder poor fielding place and lacks flexibility.” The following 12 months, one other famous, “He’s a nasty defensive participant shaky arms and sluggish toes.” “Station to station sort man,” a 3rd declared in 2001, and in 2003, a fourth wrote, “under common at 1B, arms and arm simply playable, doesn’t transfer effectively round bag, under common runner, has some stiffness to motion.” It’s no accident that one of many lumbering slugger’s nicknames was “Donkey.” Hafner had home-run-trot pace, which was apparent when he improbably hit for the cycle in 2003.
Hafner, who’s coming into his fifth season as a particular assistant to baseball operations for the Indians, has gained some perspective on what the scouts noticed—or didn’t see—via his work for the entrance workplace. “Now that I work for the Indians and type of on the scouting aspect, I perceive all of it,” he says. “When you have been mainly a child [whose] one software is principally energy and also you don’t actually play good protection, OK arm, and may’t run, it places a number of stress in your bat to be your carrying software. I assume taking part in in opposition to junior faculty competitors, perhaps it’s a little bit more durable to challenge how the bat’s gonna do.”
As soon as Hafner bought into professional ball, although, the bat did effectively nearly from the start. Hafner posted a .933 OPS with 28 homers in A-ball in 1999, adopted by a 1.027 OPS in Excessive-A in 2000. The Reds’ scouts have been nonetheless skeptical: “Ought to hit with energy via AA however breakers and pace of recreation will catch as much as him,” one wrote in November ’99. Nope. Hafner produced a .941 OPS in Double-A in 2001, adopted by a 1.022 OPS in Triple-A as a 25-year-old in 2002. The Rangers, who had Mark Teixeira prepared for first base in 2003 however whose designated hitters had managed solely a 102 wRC+ in 2002, responded by buying and selling Hafner to Cleveland in December together with Aaron Myette. Hafner, who’d been pissed off by his sluggish motion via the Rangers’ system, wasn’t sorry to enter a clearer lane. “You see guys that you just’ve performed in opposition to getting moved up, and also you’re like, ‘I’d actually wish to get moved up and see what I can do on the subsequent degree,’” he says.
“I used to be actually decided to get there, and I by no means needed to be outworked by anyone.” —Travis Hafner
The lone Reds scout who beneficial Hafner wrote in March 2003, “I can’t imagine that this participant was traded for Einar Díaz and Ryan Drese. I’d be very stunned if he wasn’t a really strong 1B for the subsequent 5-7 years, and I’d like to see him in a Reds’ uniform.” In equity to the Reds scouts who dismissed Hafner as a DH or an “AL sort participant,” he would have been stretched as a full-time first baseman. “It most likely would have been pretty iffy,” Hafner admits. “I performed it on a regular basis within the minor leagues. You could possibly have caught me on the market. I don’t know the way good I might have been.” When he was hitting at a league-leading degree, he would have been value taking part in regardless of his failings within the discipline. Because the one complimentary Reds scout stated, “Can’t run, however he gained’t must.” Reds first basemen—largely Sean Casey and Scott Hatteberg—managed a 119 wRC+ from 2004 to 2006, which ranked 12th amongst groups.
Hafner’s best-known nickname, “Pronk,” got here from combining “Donkey” with one other nickname bestowed on him by Cleveland teammate Invoice Selby, “The Venture,” which Hafner says was meant to suggest, “he has potential, however nonetheless a methods away.” Hafner acknowledges that he did have vital flaws as a hitter popping out of school. His swing was geared towards left-center, and he had hassle catching as much as inside warmth. His excessive leg kick additionally left him unbalanced and weak to secondary stuff. “When you threw any off-speed pitch, until you hung it in the midst of the plate, I might swing and miss or be out entrance, so that you take a look at these issues, I used to be having hassle hitting the within fastball, and he’s having hassle hitting breaking balls, that’s not a glowing factor for a scout to see.”
What the scouts noticed in Hafner’s current, then, wasn’t inaccurate, though in that pre-Moneyball interval not one of the scouts praised the southpaw’s persistence or on-base means. The larger downside was what they did not see in his future. “Every degree I used to be capable of make changes in my swing,” Hafner says. “Most likely probably the most drastic adjustment was in 2000 once I simply actually simplified all the things, I removed a leg kick and simply made it much more easy, after which annually it might be some small tweaks to attempt to make my swing extra environment friendly, refine my strategy.”

Hafner was a hitting obsessive. If he was in A-ball and an enormous leaguer on a rehab task was in the identical batting cage, Hafner would ask him to speak hitting. As soon as he bought to massive league camp, he says, he picked the mind of anybody who was keen to debate mechanics or strategy. For that purpose, Hafner didn’t shock himself along with his success as a lot as he should have stunned some scouts. “I used to be actually decided to get there, and I by no means needed to be outworked by anyone, so I might spend a ton of time figuring out and hitting and all that stuff. So something I may do to attempt to get higher or shore up weaknesses, I might do this, and likewise simply watching a ton of video and attempting to be as ready as I could possibly be so nothing ever stunned me from a pitcher and that I at all times had a plan, irrespective of who I used to be dealing with.”
Hitting is hard to challenge, however so is a willingness to work as onerous as Hafner did to shut the holes in his swing and change into each a number one energy risk and a perennial .300 hitter throughout his three-year, late-20s peak. An appreciation for these much less publicly obvious instruments—willpower, coachability, willingness to tinker—has opened Hafner’s thoughts in his personal scouting work. “I simply actually imagine that anybody that has on a uniform in professional ball, whether or not that’s rookie ball or no matter, if all the things clicks for them, they’ll have an opportunity to contribute to an enormous league membership in some capability,” he says. “Clearly the extra proficient you might be, the extra possibilities you’ll get and the extra probably you might be to get there, however even a child with not a ton of expertise, if he’s actually constant in his work and he has a brief swing and a great strategy, that may nonetheless be a helpful man on an enormous league membership.”
David Ross, Catcher (Eight reviews, 7 “don’t purchase”)
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Ross, the Dodgers’ seventh-round pick of the College of Florida in 1998, by no means hit like Hafner, though he ran a little bit like him. However between his positional worth, defensive acumen, and main league longevity, he supplied nearly the identical worth over the course of his profession (21.2 wins above alternative participant vs. Hafner’s 20.5).
Ross caught within the majors for 15 years, together with for 2 championship groups, and whereas he was justly celebrated as a catch-and-throw man, he additionally managed a cumulative 92 wRC+, higher than the MLB common (88) for catchers over the identical span. But via 2003, just one Reds scout suggested buying him, and even that scout’s report (from 2001) learn, “Seen as a AAA participant that can be utilized as a third catcher at ML degree or emergency man.” Others had harsher feedback, together with “AA degree at finest,” “won’t ever hit,” “useless physique,” and “sluggish decrease half” (the final of which was considerably in proof on Dancing With the Stars.)
“I don’t know in the event that they missed as a lot as I simply improved and adjusted.” —David Ross
Like Hafner, Ross is now a particular assistant to baseball operations (in his case for the Cubs), which makes him inclined to offer the scouts who slighted him a move. “Now that I’m performing some scouting stuff, and I used to be within the draft [room] final 12 months, it’s such a crapshoot, particularly again then when the knowledge wasn’t as prevalent as it’s now,” he says. Charitably, he provides, “I don’t know in the event that they missed as a lot as I simply improved and adjusted.” After all, projecting how a participant could enhance and modify is a crucial facet of scouting. It’s additionally what makes it so onerous.
Ross agrees with a number of the scouts’ critiques. He was, he permits, a low-ball hitter who had hassle with balls up and possibly retired on the proper time, earlier than extra pitchers started to go upstairs with high-spin four-seamers. Neither is he stunned to see the label “lengthy stroke,” which he’s heard earlier than. “That’s the one stigma and factor I needed to overcome was I at all times labeled a sluggish bat, lengthy swing, looping swing,” he says. “And it bought so unhealthy that once I hit a house run and once I lastly bought referred to as up by the Dodgers, the [hitting coach] referred to as it ‘the loop.’”
What he doesn’t agree with are the occasional critiques of his protection. Some scouts lauded his arm and launch, whereas others wrote, “labors to throw,” “lacked accuracy,” “arm is under avg.,” “notch under common behind the dish,” and “Arm was erractic” [sic]. “I may at all times actually catch and throw,” Ross says. “I might say in that case they missed, however … perhaps that they had a nasty day or I had a nasty day, who is aware of?” Ross threw out 35 p.c of tried base stealers throughout his profession, effectively above the league common of 28 p.c, and he remained deadly with a back-pick even late in his profession.

Ross says that a number of the worth he introduced to groups—and that stored him on rosters via 2016, his age-39 season—got here through comfortable elements that scouts couldn’t glean from their fast seems. “I believe that’s the place my area of interest was,” Ross says. “You possibly can’t inform from the stands. You possibly can’t inform what perhaps I herald a dialog with a pitcher or in a dugout once I’m not taking part in, or in a locker room. … As my profession progressed, I realized an increasing number of and tips on how to share these issues and tips on how to talk. The scouts are available, they see talent, they see a talent set, they usually transfer on.”

Throughout Ross’s profession, although, scouts—and the sport as a complete—bought higher at valuing his non-interpersonal abilities, a few of which nonetheless couldn’t be quantified and a few of which weren’t in vogue when the Reds scouts noticed him. On the plate, Ross was forward of his time when it got here to true outcomes (walks, strikeouts, and homers). In an period when batting common reigned supreme, he didn’t thoughts putting out so long as he’d seen a number of pitches first.
“I didn’t care as a lot,” he says. “I at all times had the mind-set that if I bought to 3-2, I did my job as a backup, made the pitcher work. … I by no means valued the stroll very a lot till afterward in my skilled profession, when groups began valuing it. … I believe that’s what stored me going late in my profession is I did have some slug, I used to be capable of get on base.” Ross was a low-average, high-strikeout, high-walk hitter with energy at a time when that assortment of offensive abilities was step by step turning into the sport’s dominant and desired mannequin.
What’s extra, by the point Ross’s teammates started calling him “Grandpa,” his biggest contribution behind the plate was not murky. “As my profession went on, what I did rather well [on defense] … turned extra valued,” Ross says. “I believe I batted about .180 with Boston my final 12 months, one thing horrible, and the subsequent 12 months, I bought a two-year cope with Chicago.” Ross landed that deal prematurely of his age-38 season no less than partly due to his framing means, which groups had solely just lately began to measure. The Reds’ scouts had stated Ross was a “Strong receiver” who “Frames okay,” however each statements severely understated his talent. Of 120 catchers with no less than 8,000 framing possibilities within the pitch-tracking period (2008 to 2018), Ross ranks fourth behind José Molina, Yasmani Grandal, and Gregg Zaun in Baseball Prospectus’s referred to as strikes above common, a fee measure of framing efficiency.

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The Reds’ scouts wrote off Molina, too, submitting 13 reviews on him via 2003, all of which beneficial avoiding him. “This participant can’t assist this membership, how can he assist a ML membership?” wrote one scout who noticed him at Double-A in 1998. “No prospect.” Solely two of the reviews (briefly) saluted his receiving. But Molina, who like Ross wound up with 21 profession WARP, outlasted the old-fashioned and landed his personal two-year deal after posting a .600-something OPS in his age-37 season. Like most expertise evaluators within the pre-PITCHf/x period, the Reds’ scouts fixated on defensive abilities that have been simple to see, however the trade has shifted to give attention to receiving. “After I go to spring coaching, we’re harping on pitch framing,” Ross says. “It was all throwing and blocking. Now that stuff’s very secondary in comparison with pitch framing.”
Perhaps Ross exceeded scouts’ expectations as a result of he bought higher. Greater than that, although, scouts and entrance places of work bought higher at recognizing the issues he already did effectively.
Satirically, Ross wound up taking part in extra video games with the Reds than every other crew, and his 2006 season in Cincinnati was probably the most helpful of his profession. Like Hafner, he concludes his profession reflections on an uplifting observe. “Folks label you simply by you or perhaps seeing you for 2 or three video games, however you’re consistently evolving and rising and dealing onerous. … When you’ve bought sufficient competitiveness and sufficient wherewithal to maintain working your butt off and attempting your finest, you work some issues out.”
Ben Davis, Catcher (18 reviews, 0 “don’t purchase”)
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Typically, although, you don’t determine issues out, even if you happen to appear so good to start with that even earlier than you make the majors, a scout writes in all caps that it’s “HARD TO FIND MANY NEGATIVES.” The Reds’ scouts stated Ross had a “useless physique.” Ben Davis, they stated—greater than as soon as!—had “Gods physique.” Davis’s scouting reviews learn extra like mash notes. “Chiseled.” “Specimen.” “Reduce sturdy.” “BEST CATCHERS BODY TYPE ANYWHERE!” A nonetheless from a video of Davis in highschool exhibits him towering over his teammates, and he solely crammed out from there. Not solely that, however the man’s bought the Good Face. His headshot alone may e book roles that Eric Dane has to audition for.

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“Between my sophomore and junior 12 months, I began to develop a little bit bit, and I actually did do a number of push-ups and sit-ups, and issues like that, pull-ups and a number of body-weight issues,” Davis says. “Then I began to develop into my physique a little bit bit extra.” In his junior 12 months, he stood 6-foot-2 (en path to 6-foot-4) and will already dunk a basketball. The scouts who flocked to Malvern Prep in Pennsylvania to see Ben’s teammate and older brother Glenn—a primary baseman drafted a 12 months forward of him within the 18th spherical, after which once more two years after him within the first spherical—couldn’t assist however discover the opposite Davis, an enormous catcher with an enormous arm.
When the hype started to construct, Davis didn’t imagine a Northeastern catcher from a category of 80 children may go excessive within the draft, so he jeopardized his well being by taking part in basketball as a senior and began to tour schools. His prospect standing sunk in when the Stanford head coach canceled his go to, understanding he’d by no means commit to varsity. The Padres chosen Davis second total within the 1995 draft, and Baseball America rated him the 10th-best prospect in baseball the next spring.

Davis at all times had a rifle—earlier than he retired, he tried pitching for just a few years in A-ball and indie ball—and the Reds’ scouts have been assured that his glove would get him to the majors. None of them went as far as to say he was a great hitter, however no less than some have been keen to imagine he could possibly be. “Franchise participant,” one stated. “Reveals BP energy,” stated one other. The hopeful feedback stored coming. “Has strong hitting mechanics. Ought to develop energy as he matures.” “Probability to hit 20-25 HRs.” “Has an opportunity to be a .290 hitter with 60 energy.”
Davis hit OK in Triple-A, however apart from a scorching begin to the 2001 season—the one one when he performed greater than 80 video games—his bat by no means translated to the majors. “There have been instances once I had some spurts of fine offense, however I don’t know,” Davis says. “Offensively, it simply by no means actually appeared to click on for me.” He didn’t do effectively in opposition to pitches with depth: curveballs gave him matches, and he had hassle with changeups.
“For no matter purpose, I simply suppose I type of fizzled out offensively. It was very irritating at instances.” —Ben Davis
Davis remembers dealing with Mike Mussina in a recreation in 2002. “I used to be scared to demise of the knuckle-curve,” Davis recollects, however Mussina threw him nothing however fastballs. Davis struck out trying twice earlier than doubling in his third at-bat. 4 years later, Davis was in Yankees camp, catching Mussina. “Hey Moose,” he stated. “You’ll by no means bear in mind this, however you at all times simply threw me all fastballs. Why did you by no means throw me the knuckle-curve?”
“Actually, man?” Mussina stated. “I by no means thought I needed to.”
By that time, Davis had one other downside, along with coping with depth: His bat pace had began eroding. “As I bought a little bit bit older, it simply appeared like my bat pace had simply—it was gone,” Davis says. “I by no means actually had a ton of bat pace, however I [thought] I used to be going to be a late bloomer. … For no matter purpose, I simply suppose I type of fizzled out offensively. It was very irritating at instances.” In his previous couple of seasons, he posted sub-.600 OPS marks in Triple-A, struggling a lot that he wasn’t having enjoyable. He retired with 3.2 WARP and a profession 78 wRC+ within the majors, and his bat is finest remembered for a bunt.

In 1998, a Reds scout wrote, “This child is such a great catcher that he’ll most likely solely need to hit .230 to be the starter for 10 years.” Because it turned out, Davis batted .237, however solely as soon as was he the starter. Ross, who was drafted 525 picks after Davis in 1995 (however didn’t signal), batted .229, however his persistence, energy, and superior receiving abilities helped him final twice as lengthy within the massive leagues.
Within the ’90s the Reds’ scouts gave Davis glowing “Aggression” rankings: “Poised,” “Competitor,” and “Chief.” Within the early 2000s, they downgraded him to “Common,” “Questionable,” and most dismissively, “Canine.” Had he modified, or have been the scouts simply reaching for a purpose that the “Good trying package deal” had proved much less full than they’d thought? Had Davis deserved to be drafted so excessive, or have been the scouts promoting denims, convincing themselves that somebody with “Gods physique” couldn’t slug .366?
“Nothing is a for-sure factor,” Davis says. “Padres took me with the no. 2 choose, Blue Jays take Roy Halladay with the 17th choose. Don’t you suppose the Padres want they might’ve taken Doc? … I believe it’s gotten higher over time, how they challenge and what they take a look at, but it surely’s simply not a precise science.”
Jeff Schmidt, Pitcher (17 reviews, 3 “don’t purchase”)
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Examine any pitcher picked within the first spherical who didn’t pan out, and also you’re nearly sure to find that an uncooperative elbow or shoulder derailed his profession. Technically, the Angels’ Jeff Schmidt was no exception: A 1998 shoulder surgical procedure successfully ended the 1992 no. 29 choose’s pitching journey. By then, although, Schmidt was 27 and effectively previous prospect standing. Up till that time, he’d suffered solely minor arm points; as he places it, “most likely nothing greater than what different or all pitchers expertise.”

Schmidt, a 6-foot-5 righty out of the College of Minnesota, suffered from two different illnesses: lacking secondary stuff and inconsistent command. “I used to be most likely a reasonably simple man to scout in that I threw one pitch, mainly, and spent my total profession attempting to develop a second and third breaking pitch,” he says. Like Davis, Schmidt appeared the half, and as with Davis, the scouts have been considerably keen to look previous current flaws. “Excellent pitchers physique,” the primary post-draft report learn, citing his lengthy arms, massive arms, and agility. “With such a great arm I’ve to imagine somebody can educate him the breaking ball.”
The arm was no mirage: A number of Reds scouts clocked Schmidt at 96 mph, and he estimates that he topped out at 97 or 98 and constantly delivered 95. Even now that’s sufficient to make a scout sit up, however within the early ’90s, it was critical stuff. “On the time, I used to be throwing as onerous, tougher than simply about all people,” Schmidt says. (The Reds’ information embody 10 pitchers, all in 1998 or later, who touched 100 mph, if their radar readings are to be trusted: Bartolo Colon, Matt Anderson, Kyle Farnsworth, Erick Threets, Bobby Jenks, Nick Neugebauer, Billy Koch, Billy Wagner, Scott Proctor, and Randy Johnson.)
Schmidt at all times had the heater. He threw onerous from an early age, and as soon as he hit highschool, he says, “I used to be simply throwing tougher than all people else, and so if I simply threw strikes, they couldn’t hit it.” In faculty, that fastball drew scouts in droves. “I believe again to proper earlier than the draft, and there have been at all times 20, 30 scouts watching [me] heat up earlier than the sport,” he says. Schmidt earned a $250,000 signing bonus on the power of that pitch alone.
Schmidt threw a slider and splitter, however neither pitch was plus. As a professional, he performed round with a curveball and a knuckle-curve and deserted each. In Double-A in 1995, he walked extra batters than he struck out, and the Angels, impatient, moved him to the bullpen the next season. He had thrown a changeup as a starter, however he scrapped it as a reliever, which he now regards as a mistake. Right this moment, a pitcher like Schmidt may use high-speed cameras and delicate monitoring units to design and refine pitches, however again then, he was “simply attempting something,” he says. “Clearly would’ve been nice to produce other instruments to work on these issues, however for probably the most half, it was trial and error.”
The Reds’ scouts couldn’t stop him, raving about his explosive fastball and the way shut he was to a breakthrough. Their reviews repeatedly beneficial taking an opportunity on buying him. Lake Elsinore, ’94: “Had finest arm on membership.” Midland, ’95: “Too good of an arm to not have extra success. Ought to be in ML.” Arizona Fall League, ’95: “Command solely factor retaining him from ML.” Vancouver, ’96: “Has nearer sort arm if he develops command and breaking pitch.” Even the newest report, additionally from ’96, holds out hope: “Could be good in aid. Not many arms round like this.”
Scouts attempt to challenge gamers’ improvement, however participant improvement is a division unto its personal, and scouts shouldn’t bear all of the blame if that division doesn’t do its job. Schmidt wonders whether or not one other group might need helped him extra, supplying the off-speed stuff that the scouts stored anticipating. His fastball was his fallback, however whereas it gave the impression to be a security internet, his reliance on it might have harm greater than it helped. Schmidt estimates that he threw the pitch 80-90 p.c of the time. “There actually may’ve been an emphasis with me, simply from a improvement standpoint, on forcing the participant to throw sure pitches in sure conditions,” he says. Going through stress to carry out, “I at all times simply went again to the fastball, and until you’ve gotten any individual telling you in another way, that’s simply gonna be the pure response.”
Schmidt did have his days within the solar: In 1996, the Angels referred to as him up twice to replenish an injury-plagued pitching employees. He made his debut in Yankee Stadium and confronted the likes of Tim Raines, Paul O’Neill, and Rubén Sierra, which he remembers as a blur. All informed, he threw eight innings in 9 video games, putting out solely two batters, strolling eight, and permitting 9 runs (seven earned) on two homers. That’s an unsightly line, but it surely’s a significant league line.
Schmidt, who earned a legislation diploma after retiring from baseball, now serves because the College of Wisconsin’s affiliate athletic director for administration. “I want I’d had an extended main league profession,” he says, “however on the identical time, I spotted that I achieved a number of issues that folks don’t and skilled a number of issues that many individuals don’t get an opportunity to expertise, so I look again on it fondly.”
One Reds scout morosely summed up Schmidt with the phrases, “Had a dropping report all his life.” That was nearly true: Schmidt misplaced extra video games than he gained in every of his seven minor league seasons. There was only one exception to his seasonal dropping streak: His 1996 report within the majors, which was spotless regardless of his horrendous ERA. “I had two wins, so undefeated, 2-0,” he says. “That was fairly good, so I’ll relaxation on that, and I can inform tales about that for a very long time.”
The Scout
An insatiable want to be higher, buried inside an unathletic-looking body (Hafner). A difficult-to-quantify talent set out of step with its time (Ross). A jaw-dropping, misleading physique (Davis). Poor participant improvement (Schmidt). These are among the many many the reason why a scout would possibly miss. They’re additionally among the many many challenges that former Reds scout Hank Sargent contended with in addition to every other scout within the pattern.
In 1991—the identical 12 months the database begins—the Montreal Expos employed Sargent as their new space scout answerable for the area from North Florida to Macon, Georgia. Sargent’s grandfather performed within the minors for the Pink Sox, however Sargent himself had topped out as a participant at Florida Southern School, the place he’d coached for seven years earlier than the Expos got here calling. Led by GM Dave Dombrowski, scouting director Gary Hughes, and a wealthy crop of scouts and executives who would go on to take outstanding jobs elsewhere, the Expos had change into a drafting-and-development dynamo. And their rookie rent was affected by impostor syndrome.
“I used to be overwhelmed in regard to, these guys are unbelievable at what they do and the way they do it,” Sargent says. “I’ve bought a lot work to be that. … I used to be nearly utterly insecure about my background being lower than ample, primarily based on a number of the different scouts that have been within the system that had performed professional ball, had performed within the massive leagues for an prolonged period of time.”
But Sargent held his personal, absorbing insights from scouting mentors in his space (together with the late legend George Digby) and sticking with the Expos for six drafts. His insecurity turned a key to his success. As a result of he couldn’t coast by on skilled taking part in expertise, he says, “I attempted to be thorough and all-encompassing in regard to each place, each position that I might attempt to scout.” He rigorously reviewed his personal evaluations and scrutinized his errors. “Yearly was a microscope,” he says. He nonetheless laments ranking profession minor leaguer Mike Peeples larger than Nomar Garciaparra within the 1994 draft.
In 1997, he joined the Reds as an East Coast crosschecker. He was assigned the northern division of the Florida State League and the southern division of the South Atlantic League, however he lined nearly all the things: novice ball, the minors, the majors, and worldwide markets (together with Costa Rica, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic). In two years with the crew, he produced nearly 400 novice reviews and greater than 1,250 professional reviews. Sargent spent roughly half the 12 months—150 to 180 nights—on the highway. He’s held Platinum Premier Lifetime standing at Marriott (the unofficial lodge model of baseball) for 20 years.
The correlations between Sargent’s reviews—each professional and novice—and profession outcomes have been uncommonly sturdy, particularly in gentle of his sizable physique of labor. Considered one of his secrets and techniques was his adherence to a system. The Expos, Sargent says, “had laid the inspiration for the primary profiling system that was put in place from a scouting standpoint, so each place on the sphere had expectations and gear priorities connected to them, which to me made scouting considerably idiot-proof.”
At catcher, as an illustration, pace hardly issues. At first base, arm is nearly an afterthought. Hughes’s system was a type of crude positional adjustment that prioritized the elements of efficiency that truly mattered to every participant fairly than imposing a one-size-fits-all system. With the help of De Jon Watson, who changed longtime scouting director Julian Mock in 1998, Sargent launched it to the Reds, though he says they encountered some resistance from old-school scouts.
Keith Legislation, the ESPN prospect evaluator who labored for the Blue Jays from 2002 to 2006, says that whereas there could not have been massive gaps between golf equipment within the talent of their scouting staffs within the period lined by the database, “scouting philosophies various loads throughout groups.” Sargent says that when he arrived, the Reds have been “solely a run-and-throw group. You draft a man who can actually run and actually throw, and we’ll educate him tips on how to hit.” The Reds, he provides, have been infamous for conducting tryout camps and signing the gamers with one of the best arms and instances within the 60-yard sprint.
“I personally utterly disagreed with that,” Sargent says. “You don’t hit, you ain’t taking part in within the massive leagues.” Sargent aspired to be “one of the best hitting evaluator that I knew,” and with the Reds, his hitter rankings have been notably prescient. Of the six Reds scouts who filed reviews on Adam Dunn within the months main as much as the 1998 draft, Sargent’s 60.7 OFP (total future potential) grade was the very best. (The others averaged 52.2.) That speaks to a different Sargent signature: “I used to be extra aggressive in utilizing the dimensions,” he says. Certain sufficient, Sargent’s grades reveal constantly larger customary deviations than the Reds’ employees as a complete, typically by as a lot as 50 p.c. “When you didn’t use the dimensions, you’d have 47 52s and 58 53s, and also you’re going, ‘These guys all look the identical on paper now,’” he says.
After leaving the Reds, Sargent did a stint with the Angels as a nationwide crosschecker and assistant scouting director. In 2004, he turned an authorized agent and joined Jet Sports activities Administration. At 54, he’s nonetheless a associate at Jet, which represents greater than 80 gamers and greater than 40 massive leaguers. However that doesn’t imply he’s stopped scouting, which stays as central to his job as ever. “As an agent, you possibly can go after whoever you need,” he says. “You don’t have to attend till your subsequent choose, which was like, ‘Oh my god, I’m taking pictures fish in a barrel now.’ If I can symbolize three or 4 first-rounders, the proportion of success goes manner up.”
One trade supply says of Sargent, “He’s kinda often known as one of many few brokers who really can scout higher than most scouts.” Sargent and fellow Jet associate Al Goetz—the previous Braves scout who signed Jason Heyward—“go see a child and signal them fairly shortly, and most different brokers name 5 scout buddies first.” That scouting benefit has helped Jet develop from a one-client firm—with founder and CEO B.B. Abbott representing childhood good friend Chipper Jones—into one in all baseball’s largest.
Sargent, whose son now works his previous territory as an space scout for the Dodgers, already represents Chris Sale, Corey Kluber, and Wade Davis, however his discerning eye is at all times turned towards the subsequent potential expertise. Although he not works for a crew, his choices nonetheless have stakes. “It doesn’t do us any good to symbolize guys we don’t suppose are gonna be within the massive leagues,” he says.
On Friday, in Half Three of our collection, we’ll look at how groups are attempting to do a greater job of figuring out who’s going to get there.
Because of Rob Arthur, Russell Carleton, and Rob McQuown for analysis help.

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